July, 2002

 From the people that gave us the Second Wisconsin figure:

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No bugler?

No reference in any book that I've read on the Iron Brigade mentions a
bugle or a bugle call from their infantry regiment. No bugler listed in
any of the rosters. No command ever given to a bugler. The only bugler
mentioned is with the 24th Michigan (which was a late arrival to the
IB), he's left behind in camp in Detroit MI and dismissed from service.
No bugler mentioned at Camp Randall, letters, newspaper articles.....

Many references to drums, fifes, drummers, fifers.....being awakened by
the drum, forming up to the drum, the drums were beat and we lined up
kinds of stuff. We know the names of the superb fifers and drummers in
the brigade (like Ludolf Longhenry of the 7th WVI), and have plenty of
references to the songs they played. Drummer (Corporal!) Eggleston made
a go at the 2nd Mississippi flag at the railroad cut, July 1st
1863......he was carrying a rifle (an Austrian Lorenz).

No Pictures of any Iron Brigade infantry bugler with a bugle call in his
hands.....no references to one of the cornet players in any of the
regimental or Brigade band ever sounding a bugle call on his valved
instrument.

Believe me Alex, I would LOVE to find out that the IB had a bugler, or
any of it's regiments. I've reenacted with the 2nd Wisconsin since I
began reenacting......  The current IB experts: Lance Herdegen, Nolan,
Gaff, Thorson, Storch, et al are always on the lookout for me.....and
have never found any reference to bugling with the 2nd, 6th, 7th
Wisconsin, 19th Indiana, 24th Michigan.

As noted, Artillery Bugler John Cook was awarded the Medal of Honor at
Antietam for working a gun against the 1st TX. So we have a Bugler in
the Iron 'Brigade'..... Also noted previously was that Marc Storch did
find the Bugle Prelude calls for Army of the Potomac, I Corps for the
1st Division, and 1st and 2nd Brigades. Orders for these calls to be
used were issued September 8, 1863.....after the Iron Brigade had been
decimated at Gettysburg.

I've got some 20 books on the Iron Brigade Alex. Have read them all MANY
times. Looking for a reference to a bugle, bugler, or sounded call.....

MANY Wisconsin Infantry Regiments had no bugler, from what I've been
able to ascertain. Bob Braun has found zero in the 33rd Wisconsin, for
example, despite several of the 2nd WVI bandsmen (cornettists) mustering
in with the 33rd after they had been General Ordered out of the 2nd
(Regimental Band's being eliminated). Pula's book on the German 26th
Wisconsin (Das Sigel Regiment, or, Unser deutsches regiment (our little
german regiment) mentions NO bugle's.

RJ Samp
Sr. Consultant
Cowley and Associates

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From: agarbeck [mailto:agarbeck@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 10:22 AM
To: bugle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bugle] Re: Reveille order - from acwbugler.org discussion
board

Here's a visual: Iron Brigade has NO BUGLERS.

I always wondered about this.  How do we know the Iron Brigade had no
buglers?  Is it in a history somewhere, or the rosters, or what? 
Tons of people say this, but so far no one's told me where they
learned it.  I'd love clarification.

bug
 

July 9, 2002

Hello, my name is Anthony. I am a college student from Ohio, and I am
researching the Iron Brigade from my "History of the Civil War" summer
college course.
First of all, id would like to congratulate you and your organization on
a wonderful, informative, and interesting website it has been an invaluable
tool in my research. Your great site is well laid out, and obviously took
some time to build. The resources amassed on your site are incredible (I'm
even using your Regimental flag on my cover page) and you forever have
thanks.
now to my question; each regiment had a nick-name. The and Wisconsin is
referred to as "the ragged ASSTETICAL." What is ASSTETICAL? where did the name come from?
thank you for your time, and once again congrats on the great site.

honydgauche@msn.com        -Anthony

Posted by Greg Edington, 2nd OVI

on July 07, 2002 at 20:04:35:

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